Increasing Boost - Revision history

Foo: Removed Turno

2008-05-10T22:11:59Z

Removed Turno

Al: Turbo : Increasing Boost moved to Increasing Boost: Page is already categorised as a Turbo related article.

2008-01-03T11:00:38Z

Turbo : Increasing Boost moved to Increasing Boost: Page is already categorised as a Turbo related article.

ESM: /* [http://www.elanchips.com Mountain chips] */

2007-12-08T09:38:09Z

‎[http://www.elanchips.com Mountain chips]

Al at 12:08, 22 July 2007

2007-07-22T12:08:40Z

Geoff: /* Mountain chips */

2007-07-15T14:00:15Z

‎Mountain chips

Geoff: New page: == Background == There is little doubt the Isuzu engine isn't tuned anywhere near it potential. However, the fuel cut IS NOT 'the ECU telling me that I can't control a bit of wheel sp...

2007-07-15T13:58:37Z

New page: == Background == There is little doubt the Isuzu engine isn't tuned anywhere near it potential. However, the fuel cut IS NOT 'the ECU telling me that I can't control a bit of wheel sp...

New page

== Background ==

There is little doubt the Isuzu engine isn't tuned anywhere near it potential. However, the fuel cut IS NOT 'the [[ECU]] telling me that I can't control a bit of wheel spin!' rather an inbuilt protection mechanism to avoid damage to the engine.

== Basics ==

The fuel cut occurs at the point the fuel system can no longer deliver enough fuel to hold the required air/fuel ratio. If you go North of 1 bar of boost with the stock fuel system you will run leaner than target and you will get pre-ignition. Engine speed and injector flow rate are the limiting factors. At 2000RPM the fuel injector has 60ms to inject the fuel required for the next combustion stroke at 6000rpm it has 20ms. The fuel injectors flow at 320cc/min so the fuel system has a fixed limit on how fuel it can deliver at a given engine speed. You can fuel for 1bar at 4500rpm but not at 6000rpm. You can't fuel for more than 1bar of boost at any revs because the standard [[MAP sensor]] can't read beyond that level and so it can't know how much fuel to inject.

== [[Fuel Cutoff Defender]] ([[FCD]]) ==

In [[FCD]] equipped cars the 'lean problem' is made worse by the fact that the [[MAP sensor]] reading is clipped at a level well below 0.9bar never mind 1bar (usually 0.7-0.8bar). So when the ECU is only trying to fuel for, say, 0.8bar and the boost is actually 1.4bar (it has happened) - that gives a mixture of 13.6:1 - ask anyone who knows anything at all about engines if that's a good mixture to run at 1.4 bar of boost.

The [[ECU]] will retard the ignition when the knock is detected and that is what I think has saved a lot of [[FCD]] equipped cars. That means you are one sensor failure away from a blown engine - sounds a lot like Russian roulette although whatever the outcome, you should be around to survey the damage. Do it enough and it'll probably melt stuff anyway.

== Inadvertent increase (usually due to wastegate stuck shut) ==

It is a fact that people who get the 1+bar boost at very lean fuelling levels (stuck wastegate & no fuel cut) report a lot of power but it will compromise engine life. Anything you do to exceed 1bar of boost that doesn't address the fuelling goes into my book as a bodge that has the potential to pop your engine. You need a 3bar [[MAP sensor]], higher flow injectors and a new control system mapped to deliver the appropriate levels of fuel. Nitrous is worth considering (that'll need extra fuelling too though).

== [[Mountain chips]] ==

The chips use a feedback loop top control boost and that means there is some lag between setting and hitting a target. This is most apparent in low gears where the time between shifts is lowest. The passive wastegate is faster. Early chips didn't get much past 0.5bar in 1st but the latest chips (V4.4+) should be pretty rapid to hit the target - I optimised the control loop with that in mind. You could disconnect the [[BCFV]] and put in an [[MBC]], set around 0.9 bar, with the chip to get faster boost but then your maximum boost would then vary with atmospheric pressure and since boost control would no longer be under the control of the [[ECU]] one level of safeties would be removed.

@@ Line 22: / Line 22: @@
 At high boost the ECU (as standard and in the upgrades) makes the air/fuel mixture richer in order to cool the charge and inhibit knock. The level of enrichment in the standard Elan is very high. This provides a useful safety margin that has probably saved more than one engine from detonation when low tech boost upgrades (particularly those which modify the output from the manifold pressure sensor to prevent fuel cut) were used. However, in the V5 chip the fuel enrichment has been optimised to give optimum power without knock. This has improved the power output but reduced the safety margin so these are available with a switcher so that a less aggressive program can be selected if required.
 [[Category:HowTo]]
 [[Category:Turbo]]

@@ Line 19: / Line 19: @@
 == [http://www.elanchips.com Mountain chips] ==
-The chips use a feedback loop top control boost and that means there is some lag between setting and hitting a target. This is most apparent in low gears where the time between shifts is lowest. The passive wastegate is faster. Early chips didn't get much past 0.5bar in 1st but the latest chips (V4.4+) should be pretty rapid to hit the target - I optimised the control loop with that in mind. You could disconnect the [[BCFV]] and put in an [[MBC]], set around 0.9 bar, with the chip to get faster boost but then your maximum boost would then vary with atmospheric pressure and since boost control would no longer be under the control of the [[ECU]] one level of safeties would be removed.
+The V3 & V4 chips increase power simply through increasing boost via the standard boost control system (the ECU in conjunction with the boost control frequency valve - BCFV). The chips also improve boost delivery by modifying the parameters of the boost control routine in the ECU.
 [[Category:HowTo]]
 [[Category:Turbo]]

← Older revision		Revision as of 12:08, 22 July 2007
Line 20:		Line 20:

	The chips use a feedback loop top control boost and that means there is some lag between setting and hitting a target. This is most apparent in low gears where the time between shifts is lowest. The passive wastegate is faster. Early chips didn't get much past 0.5bar in 1st but the latest chips (V4.4+) should be pretty rapid to hit the target - I optimised the control loop with that in mind. You could disconnect the [[BCFV]] and put in an [[MBC]], set around 0.9 bar, with the chip to get faster boost but then your maximum boost would then vary with atmospheric pressure and since boost control would no longer be under the control of the [[ECU]] one level of safeties would be removed.		The chips use a feedback loop top control boost and that means there is some lag between setting and hitting a target. This is most apparent in low gears where the time between shifts is lowest. The passive wastegate is faster. Early chips didn't get much past 0.5bar in 1st but the latest chips (V4.4+) should be pretty rapid to hit the target - I optimised the control loop with that in mind. You could disconnect the [[BCFV]] and put in an [[MBC]], set around 0.9 bar, with the chip to get faster boost but then your maximum boost would then vary with atmospheric pressure and since boost control would no longer be under the control of the [[ECU]] one level of safeties would be removed.
		+
		+
		+	[[Category:HowTo]]
		+	[[Category:Turbo]]

← Older revision	Revision as of 11:00, 3 January 2008
(No difference)

@@ Line 17: / Line 17: @@
 It is a fact that people who get the 1+bar boost at very lean fuelling levels (stuck wastegate & no fuel cut) report a lot of power but it will compromise engine life. Anything you do to exceed 1bar of boost that doesn't address the fuelling goes into my book as a bodge that has the potential to pop your engine. You need a 3bar [[MAP sensor]], higher flow injectors and a new control system mapped to deliver the appropriate levels of fuel. Nitrous is worth considering (that'll need extra fuelling too though).
-== [[Mountain chips]] ==
+== [http://www.elanchips.com Mountain chips] ==
 The chips use a feedback loop top control boost and that means there is some lag between setting and hitting a target. This is most apparent in low gears where the time between shifts is lowest. The passive wastegate is faster. Early chips didn't get much past 0.5bar in 1st but the latest chips (V4.4+) should be pretty rapid to hit the target - I optimised the control loop with that in mind. You could disconnect the [[BCFV]] and put in an [[MBC]], set around 0.9 bar, with the chip to get faster boost but then your maximum boost would then vary with atmospheric pressure and since boost control would no longer be under the control of the [[ECU]] one level of safeties would be removed.